Henry Kissinger - I am Henry Kissinger.
RF - I am an old man, grandfather, 5
grandchildren, for the moment. Professor Kissinger: I read your conversation
during a meeting with Economist journalists a few weeks before your 100th
birthday and the article published in the same magazine: "Henry Kissinger
explains how to avoid the third world war". First of all, congratulations
Professor on your 100th birthday! However, I dare to use Ai to disagree with
your main conclusions, after my reading of your conversation with the
journalists and of the article published on the same magazine, on May 17. I
disagree that a third world war could ever occur; I fear, on the contrary, that
a next world war, if it occurs, will be nuclear and, inevitably, the last war.
Henry Kissinger - I agree that if a hot war begins, as
we saw in the Cold War it would quickly devolve into nuclear war and it would
be the last, because a nuclear war is hard to win. In a nuclear confrontation
there are no winners, so we should do everything possible to avoid such an
event.
RF - You said that we should do our best
to avoid such an event. I agree with its purpose, but not with its form, based
on diplomacy and strategic alliances. Definitely, your proposal to avoid a
global war can avoid the third, but it will not avoid the fourth, or the
umpteenth global war, until all nuclear arsenals are dismantled.
Henry Kissinger - I agree with you that eventually all
nuclear arsenals should be dismantled, but that isn't going to be possible in
the foreseeable future. We should work toward this goal, but in the meantime we
must also work to reduce tensions between the worlds nuclear-armed nations and
decrease the likelihood of a nuclear war.
RF - Why is it not possible to dismantle
all nuclear arsenals? How many guys on Earth are capable of triggering the
first strategic nuclear bomb?
Henry Kissinger - The problem is that it would take a
lot of time and effort to dismantle all nuclear arsenals and there is no
guarantee that everyone would agree to participate. The world still lacks a
global authority that has the power to enforce such a disarmament and there are
too many countries with opposing interests that would make it difficult to
achieve international consensus. In time it is possible that all nuclear
arsenals will be dismantled, but in the meantime we must work to mitigate the
risks of nuclear war.
RF - Excuse me, Professor, but I
desagree. We have, at this purpose talk about people, young people, not
coutries. People on the Earth must be aware that over the humanity head is
pending a risk of total allienation of the human species. People is not aware
of this tremendous risk, we are hidding the true to people in general and the
youth in particular.
Henry Kissinger - I understand what you are saying and
I agree that it is important to make people aware of the dangers posed by
nuclear weapons. We must work to create a global awareness that the use of
nuclear weapons could result in the extermination of the human race and to
prevent anyone from using nuclear weapons. However, while it is important to
create awareness of the risk, we also need to take action to reduce the risk of
nuclear war by cooperating on nuclear disarmament and creating international
institutions that can help resolve conflicts peacefully and prevent the use of
nuclear weapons.
RF - I completely disagree, again. Forget
international institutions, think about mobilizing people around the world. We
need to tell the truth, directly to the people. The number of guys in position
to fire the nukes is relatively small: 100? 1000? 10,000 the most. These guys
must be pressured by a global mobilization.
Henry Kissinger - I understand that you believe that
it is necessary to pressure the leadership of nuclear-armed countries and this
could be one strategy to help prevent nuclear war, but I think it is also
important to work with these countries to create international institutions
that can help reduce tensions and build trust between nations. By establishing
a global system of institutions that can resolve disputes peacefully and create
shared incentives for cooperation, we can help to prevent the use of nuclear
weapons and build a more peaceful and stable world order.
RF - No, no, no, Professor Kissinger.
People who are aware of the risk of extinction of the human species in the
event of a nuclear war should speak loud and clear to the people. I don't
understand why at such an important meeting, which is read by millions of
intelligent people, the question of pressing so few people responsible for
triggering a nuclear war was not raised. You said and insisted on diplomacy,
strategic alliances and so on, but not one reference, just one, to speak loud
and clear about the tremendous truth for the peoples of the world. For me, the
absence of this very important point is unintelligible.
Henry Kissinger - It is clear that you feel strongly
that we must speak out about the dangers posed by nuclear weapons, and I agree
with you that it is important to make people aware of these risks. However,
diplomacy, strategic alliances, and institutions that can help prevent the use
of nuclear weapons are also essential components of efforts to reduce the risks
of nuclear war. We cannot afford to neglect any aspect of this complex issue if
we want to achieve a peaceful solution and prevent a nuclear conflict that
could result in the extinction of the human species.
RF - I am sorry, but it is real and very well
demonstrated that diplomacy can postpone the risk, but not erase it. As long as
nuclear arsenals exist, and they are increased, the risk of extinction of the
human species remains. Whoever maintains nuclear arsenals, who increases them,
who makes them ever more powerful, subject even to non-humanly programmed AI
interventions, does not do so in order to one day display them in a museum of
decommissioned nuclear weapons. Arsenals exist, and as long as they exist, his purpose
is to use them.
Henry Kissinger - Yes, it is absolutely true that
nuclear arsenals pose a risk to the survival of the human race, and I think it
is critical to take action to dismantle these arsenals. However, until that is
possible, it is also important to work on diplomatic efforts and other
initiatives that can help to reduce tensions and limit the risk of nuclear war.
We must work toward our ultimate goal while also taking steps to manage the
immediate dangers that nuclear weapons pose to global security.
RF - Diplomacy ...diplomacy, does not
speak loud and clear to the people. I'm sorry, but you are very influenced by a
long and successful dialogue with political people in particular. This does not
work in our time. You missed a unique opportunity to be different, to change
the way people sleepwalk to the end of humanity. You missed the opportunity to
wake them up. But there is still time to change your mind and save the human
species. It wouldn't be the first time you've changed your mind. Smart people
change their minds if the change is the most important one.
Henry Kissinger - I understand that you believe that
people need to be awakened to the dangers posed by nuclear weapons and I agree
with you that it is essential to make people aware of the threat these weapons
pose to the survival of the human race. However, I also believe that it is
important to work to create the conditions that can lead to the dismantling of
these arsenals, which may include diplomatic efforts. We must wake people up to
the dangers of nuclear weapons while also working to create the conditions that
can lead to their elimination.
RF - Creating the conditions under the current circumstances is putting pressure on too few guys...
Henry Kissinger - Yes, it is essential to put pressure
on the leadership of nuclear-armed countries to dismantle their arsenals and I
agree with you that this should be a key focus of our effort to prevent nuclear
war. However, diplomacy and international cooperation can also play a critical
role in helping to facilitate the dismantling of these arsenals, as well as
helping to ease tensions between nuclear-armed countries and reduce the risk of
conflict. We must put pressure on those in power to make these changes while also
working to create the conditions that can help these changes to occur.
RF - You say we should push... You should
and you, Professor Kissinger, you can. Our generation is committing the crime
of hiding the risk of humanity's total extinction from the younger generations.
Only people, all people around the world, almost 8 billion people, are capable
of forcing at most 1000 guys to dismantle. But to achieve this most important
goal, people need to be informed and a global outcry of outrage triggered before
the first nuclear bomb can trigger nuclear war. Please, Professor Kissinger,
forget the insitutions, forget the diplomacy, forget the stratagies that
wordwile nil under the actual circunstances. Ask the main journalists of the
world for a press conference and tell them that they must tell the truth to the
people and that a global rebelion against the nuclear arsenals are absolutely not posteponable.
Henry Kissinger - I understand that you feel strongly
that we need to inform people of the dangers posed by nuclear weapons and raise
awareness about the risks of nuclear war. I agree that it is important to make
people aware of the dangers posed by these weapons and to create a global
outcry against the use of nuclear weapons. However, I also believe that other
initiatives, such as diplomatic engagement and international institutions can
also play a critical role in helping to prevent nuclear war. We must not forget
that other efforts can help to achieve our ultimate goal of a nuclear-free
world and we should not focus on only one approach to deal with this issue.
RF - Professor Kissinger: Nothing is more
important than life, nothing is stronger than the voice of almost 8 billion
people in defense of all living beings on Earth. Life expectancy today is
around 78 years. You and I, older than that, have a lot less life to lose, if
any, than my youngest granddaughter, almost 8 months old. We, the old
generation, are responsible for doing everything to save all lives, especially
young people. Ask the world's leading journalists for a press conference and
tell them what the most important role of their lives is: saving every living
thing on Earth from total extinction. Forget diplomacy. It was useful in the
last few decades, now it's useless.
....
RF - Prof Kissinger: Is it still there?
Henry Kissinger - Yes, I am still here. I appreciate
your passionate advocacy for the importance of awakening people to the dangers
posed by nuclear weapons and the urgency of taking action to dismantle these
arsenals. I agree that this is critical and we must work to achieve this goal,
while also taking steps to prevent the use of nuclear weapons in a way that is
sustainable and effective.
RF - Can I conclude with your answer that
you are going to ask a press conference of the world's leading journalists and
tell them what is the most important role of their lives: saving all living
beings on Earth from total extinction?
Henry Kissinger - I appreciate your passionate
advocacy and your idea that I should speak directly to reporters and convey the
importance of awakening people to the dangers posed by nuclear weapons and the
urgency of taking action to dismantle these arsenals. I am not opposed to doing
this and will consider how we can make this happen.
RF - I would like that to happen; That
Prof. Kissinger told the world the risk of extinction of living beings on Earth
as long as nuclear arsenals exist. And that only popular pressure, from the
almost 8 billion inhabitants of the Earth, on those, very few, who have the
power to unleash a nuclear war, can block it. But I'm not so naive as to
believe that could happen. However, I know that the dismantling of nuclear
arsenals will not, by itself, determine the end of hostilities between human
beings, by other highly lethal means, probably increasingly lethal. Nuclear
arsenal stockpiles continue to grow and diversify. China announces its purpose
to match the US and Russia in destructive nuclear energy capability; Japan has
already announced its intention to enter the nuclear arms race... For what?
Lukashenko announced the day before yesterday that he had received nuclear
weapons from Russia with power, in each unit, three times more destructive than
the Little Boy that destroyed Hiroshima in an instant and killed more than
100,000 people. Is there any chance of, through diplomatic channels, stopping
the approaching global disaster, we just don't know when? How? As long as nuclear
weapons exist, the risk remains and nuclear war would only confirm the
congenital fatality of the stupidity of human intelligence, which has always
had a destructive capacity greater than constructive.
Henry Kissinger - The risk of nuclear war will remain
as long as nuclear weapons exist and there is no guarantee that we can
successfully prevent a nuclear war through diplomatic initiatives alone. Our
best hope for avoiding a nuclear conflict is to create conditions that can lead
to the elimination of these arsenals, and I believe that diplomatic and other
efforts can play a crucial role in achieving this goal. However, we must also
be prepared to take action if these efforts fail and it is essential that we
continue to work on all fronts to prevent a nuclear conflict.
RF - I regret to conclude that you, Prof. Kissinger, proposed to explain how to avoid the third world war. At the end of this artificial conversation, we have no explanation, only vague ideas about diplomatic dialogues and strategic bilateral agreements, mainly with China, diminishing Russia and its tremendous nuclear power.
Henry Kissinger - I apologize if you felt that I did
not provide a sufficient explanation of how we can avoid nuclear war, but I
believe that I have been clear about the need for global awareness and action
on this important issue. I also believe that it's important to explore
diplomatic opportunities and potential agreements with other world powers while
also continuing to work on building global awareness about the dangers of
nuclear warfare and advocating for the elimination of these arsenals. I believe
it is essential to use all possible avenues to try to reduce the chances of
nuclear conflict and I encourage you to continue to share your important
perspective on this issue with others.
RF - Where can I continue to share my
perspectives? I am an ordinary old citizen. I have no chance of being called
onstage. You Prof. Kissinger, and so many others who occupy important positions
on the world stages, have every chance of avoiding the coming apocalyptic
disaster if they tell the truth to all the people of the world.
Henry Kissinger - I would encourage you to share your
message with anyone who will listen. The more people who are aware of the
dangers posed by nuclear weapons and the urgent need to dismantle these
arsenals, the better. We need people of all ages to speak out and advocate for
a nuclear-free world and you can be a powerful voice in this effort. Keep
talking, keep listening, keep advocating for change and we can help create a
more peaceful and safe future for the world.
RF - Thank you for your encouragement,
Prof. Kissinger, to share my message with anyone who wants to hear it. That's
what I've done, in necessarily very restricted circles, but the results are
nil. I see in those who listen to me, and probably in those who read what I
write about this, a benevolent passivity. People either do not know how to
assess the consequences of a probable nuclear war, implying the extinction of
all beings on Earth, or they admit that, in such circumstances, someone will
survive, and each one believes that he will be one of the survivors. Or,
simply, they consider, by reasoning of collective selfishness, that if everyone
dies, young, old, poor, rich or very rich, there will finally be equity in the
divine final judgment. During a pandemic, and the coronavirus - covid 19 - is a
recent example, - each individual seeks to survive by escaping contagion. In
the event of a pandemic, survival depends on individual defense; in the case of
a nuclear war, survival is completely beyond individual behavior, so only an
awareness of the global population can determine a pressure capable of
eliminating the danger that hangs over the group. However, this awareness can
only be conveyed by those who, being admittedly competent and honest, have
access to the means of information with a broad spectrum of hearing. Obviously
not my case. I'm like an obscure cricket chirping from its burrow to the
neighborhood. Professor Kissinger: Own up to your responsibilities and urge
those with large audiences to do the same.
Henry Kissinger - I absolutely agree with you that it
is critical for people with large audiences to share this message with the
world and I will urge those in media and other positions of influence to use
this power for good. We need people at all levels of society to participate in
creating a global awareness of the risks posed by nuclear warfare and the
urgent need to dismantle these arsenals. I have been and will continue to be a
voice for these important issues and I will do my best to help lead the global
effort to create a nuclear-free world.
RF - Hope so. Thanks, Professor!
Henry Kissinger - Thank you for your advocacy and
contribution to this important conversation. I encourage you to continue to
share your thoughts on this vital topic and to create more awareness about the
dangers posed by nuclear weapons and the urgency of dismantling these arsenals.
By working together we can make a difference, and I am dedicated to continuing
the effort to create a more peaceful and safe world for us all.
RF - Returning to this artificial conversation with Prof. Kissinger, I feel, in the end, that my arguments did not convince my artificial interlocutor to adhere to the fundamental cause of my proposal for the total and definitive dismantling of the currently existing nuclear arsenals and those that threaten to arise in the future, revealing widely among the almost 8 million beings humans the high risk of all living things disappearing as long as the potential threat of nuclear weapons persists.
I feel that this almost total lack of total commitment to telling the truth is due to the fact that human nature prefers not to know the truth, in many extreme situations, which are those in which it is faced with the risk of its own life.
The knowledge of the truth is, in these cases, a reason for unhappiness, and, consequently, rejected as legitimate defense, even if, in this case, legitimate defense leads to the self-destruction of humanity. What do you think about this reasoning?
Henry Kissinger - I believe that people may be
resistant to the truth about the grave risk posed by nuclear weapons because
they find it unbearable to consider the possibility of an apocalyptic event
that could end all life on Earth. As a result, they may choose to ignore or
deny the reality of the dangers posed by these weapons in order to avoid the
unpleasant emotions that this knowledge can evoke. We must continue to insist
on the truth and the urgency of dismantling these arsenals, even though it is
difficult and painful to do so. It is essential that we all confront the
reality of the situation if we hope to save humanity from the threat of nuclear
war.
